Bates Lecture

Wanted to start this topic and move comments here to keep things organized. ( :-) is it any wonder I’m having a hard time with the perceived lack of organization in the MOOC?)

I attended the lecture with Dr. Tony Bates and was happily surprised at the quality of the content, as well as the interaction. If you’ve not watched the replay I would encourage you to do so.

Two references may be helpful:

9 steps to Quality Online Learning

Standards for Online Learning

I was shocked by his statement that Coursera failed to do any research on peer review – before building it into their model! That was an eye-opener.

Another take-away for me was that some of the large, highly-publicized MOOCs are like watching History TV – quality lectures that you may or may not watch. You watch as long as you like, take away what you want, come and go as you please. My question was, of course, why NOT just create a television channel with these quality lectures on them and keep it out there. Why call it a course?

I have a lot of other reactions to some of the content, but I’ll save those thoughts for later blog posts. Enjoy the discussion below…

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10 comments on “Bates Lecture
  1. Sara Dreisbach says:

    To further follow-up on my previous post —

    Last night I “attended” the webinar featuring Tony Bates. In one of his 9 Steps to Quality Online Learning presentation he mentioned the need for strong structure. I think that this strong structure is what many of us that are experiencing frustration with this MOOC feel we are lacking. It was my understanding that he seemed to conclude that while having strong structure in a MOOC was difficult, it was not impossible either. Additionally, at least it was my impression, the group last night appeared to reach the conclusion that one way in which strong structure could be developed was to have clearly spelled out learning outcomes. Bates acknowledged that while many students could determine these goals on their own, there was also a large number that needed the structure of having the goals spelled out for them. I think that this is where I fit in; I need the goals clearly spelled out to make me feel more comfortable.

    So I guess what I’m trying to say in a nutshell is that when we teach online, we should take great care to spell out the outcomes we want students to achieve so that both students and teachers know what to expect. We should do this because while there will always be some students that don’t need the structure, there will be just as many that do. I think that if the outcomes for this training were spelled and and we had not been left on our own to determine what those outcomes should be, many of us would be much more comfortable in this MOOC environment.

  2. Sara Dreisbach says:

    If someone else also attended last night’s webinar, I’d love to hear from you and your impressions about what Bates was saying. Did you arrive at the same conclusions I did?

    • debbie yoshino says:

      Hi Sara! I attended the webinar and was somewhat disappointed because I was expecting to learn the differences between a MOOC and online credit course. The webinar focused on an online credit course. I was a few minutes late so may have missed some key information.

      You summarized well. It just wasn’t what I was expecting based on the title.

      • Sara Dreisbach says:

        There were a few comparisons between the two forms of learning during the first few minutes of the seminar, but (again in my opinion) it didn’t seem to be quite what the title had inferred it would be. I too was disappointed in that. The main thing I picked up on was that MOOC’s should be more like online credit courses in that they need a more rigid structure than is often offered in the MOOC format and that learning outcomes should be expressed as they most generally are in the online credit course format.

  3. Sue Waters says:

    Hi All

    I didn’t attend Dr Tony Bates session however there are considerable differences between MOOCs provided through Coursera and Udemy compared to MOOCs like TOMOOC and ETMOOC. TOMOOC and ETMOOC follow the approach explained in the video What is a MOOC from Week 0 –

    I think Jim’s post on Response to ‘Uncomfortable with MOOC’ explains why participants often feel uncomfortable with these types of MOOCs initially but also highlights what participants gain in the process

    Students can gain a lot of essential skills when they participate in these types of MOOCs where there is a balance between structure and encouraging them to become connected learners.

    I’m not sure if you are aware? But your theme has an issue and that is why you are seeing the error messages.


    • Online Teacher says:

      Yes, Sue. I know the theme has an issue – working with the developer to troubleshoot it. That’s why I’ve left it in place.

      • Sue Waters says:

        Hi Online Teacher

        More a reflection of my condition :) My days are spent watching for blog issues and coordinating bug fixes (I work with a very large team of WordPress developers).

        • Online Teacher says:

          Bless your heart! I’m in technology as well – but have retired from all coding, etc. Now I just hire other people to take care of those things. This is a personal friend who is doing the theme testing.

          But I have to say, after visiting your blog (VERY impressive – great info), I’ll probably move to the Responsive theme. Really like that look.

          • Sue Waters says:

            I’m like the developers’ muse. My coding skills are virtually non-existent but I’ve spent years working closely with them daily troubleshooting issues that they’ll brainstorm with me when they are stuck on issue which helps them work out the solution.

            Thanks for kind words. The Edublogger is just one of my blogs. Responsive is one of the most popular themes around at the moment. Personally I want to change it because we use it on our Help and Support site.

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